AR:The Beginning of the End.....the Rebirth of the Myth

[simo]

Si, ma il V6 a gasolio non va messo sulla brera...

[Motron85]

Si, ma il V6 a gasolio non va messo sulla brera...

come no? 330cd in giro non ne vedi?

[simo]

perch? te mi metti la brera sullo stesso segmento del 330cd? io la metterei con Z4, 350Z quello ? il suo settore. Il 330 cd ? una serie 3 normale con 3 porte.

[Motron85]

xche la brera non ? una 159 con 3 porte scusa?
z4 ? una spider compatta.. ? ben 30cm piu corta della brera e la nissan ha ben altra impostazione piu estrema secondo me..

[simo]

si sulla z4 hai ragione (per? possiamo paragonarci la spider allora), mettiamo la TT allora. La Brera non ? una 159 con 3 porte, i sedili dietro sono minimi e non ha una carrozzeria sedan, come invece ce l'ha la 330cd e dove i posto dietro e il baule sono sono da berlina. Son due categorie differenti, il segmento della brera ? quello della 350z che poi lo spirito sia diverso non centra. Io la vedo cos

[Motron85]

ma boh.. io dico solo che se c'? richiesta i gasolio su brera, e c'? vista ke la 2.4 vende strabene, xche no accontentare la clientela??

TT idem ke z4.. ? costruita su un telaio da seg C (golf) non da seg D (159-brera)

[DJTaurus]

Son due categorie differenti, il segmento della brera ? quello della 350z che poi lo spirito sia diverso non centra. Io la vedo cos?.

350Z Roadster is heavier than Brera....despite is 2wd (not 4wd sth that adds 100kg to Spider 3.2JTS Q4 ) it weights 1645kg.Also i remind that 350Ζ has slightly smaller dimensions...so with all the respect if 350Ζ Roadster had only the 4wd scheme of Spider it would easily weight 55kg more....if also had same dimensions with Spider (it is 8cm shorter and 1cm less in width).Nissan anounces for 350Ζ Roadster/300hp 0-100 in 6.4sec and that homologated only with the driver and benzina of 98octane......if you read all test drives of 350Z it is between 6.6 and 6.8sec...Brera was measured in auto in 6.4sec despite AR anounces 0-100 in 6.8sec....so heavier Brera with 40hp less has same accelaration with 350Z due to grip of Q4.350Ζ Roadster weights 1645kg and if it had a 4wd scheme it would weight at least 70kg more! (e90's 4wd weights 100kg)...and if it has same dimensions with Spider it would also weight 50kg more.....add 10kg if it had double crystals...so we have a sum for 350Z roadster at 1775kg...so i don't think that Spider with the specifications it has is heavy ( 1690kg).In the other hand 350Z weights 1545kg...add 70kg for 4wd,10kg for double crystals,50kg for the dimensions,20kg for the panoramic roof and if it had at least the same rear space with Brera it would weight 25kh more...so we have a sum of 1730kg for 350Z with simiral specifications to Brera which weights 1630kg.Alfa Romeo offers a car close to the technological level of a MB SL but in the price tag of Slk and some people are still complaining.

Brera 3.2JTS Q4 4413mm x 1830mm x 1372mm 1630kgr
Spider 3.2JTS Q4 4393mm x 1830mm x 1318mm 1690kgr
350Z 4310mm x 1815mm x 1320mm 1545kgr
350Z Roadster 4310mm x 1815mm x 1330mm 1645kgr

[simo]

So we can compare Brera and 350z as the same category! or not?

[piegailcapello]

So we can compare Brera and 350z as the same category! or not?

NO!! We can't Simo...! One is a sportif car, the other one is a Granturismo...!

[simo]

"sportif" car? Is a new German sport car??

Cmq ditemi quello che volete ma Brera e 350Z, come pure la TT, io le considero parte dello stesso segmento... e poco ci manca che metto dentro anche la caymann, ma ha 2 posti e quindi nisba.

[DJTaurus]

So we can compare Brera and 350z as the same category! or not?

-Brera in versions 2.2JTS, 2.4JTDm and future 3.0JTDm with length 4,41m is placed between SLK-CLK-Z4 and Series 4?.there is not a direct rival.
-3.2JTS Q4 260hp is the rival of future Porsche Cayman 3.2 260hp and in 2008 the update version of 3.2jts with 290hp it will be the rival of Cayman S 3.4 295hp.
-GTA 440hp has the most close rival in typology/dimensions/transmission/cost the upcoming Carrera 4S 355hp.
-Spider 2.2JTS has not a direct rival cause of big dimensions 439x183 but it is compared with Z4 & SLK?..spider is even wider than SL or 911 Carrera Cabrio.
-Spider 3.2JTS Q4 is the direct rival of Boxster
-Spider GTA is the direct rival of 911 carrera 4 S Cabrio.

Alfa Brera/4, (bmw 3 coupe)/Z4, CLK/SLK, TT
Alfa Brera V6 / Porsche Cayman /
Alfa Brera GTA-Q4 / Porsche Carrera 4S
Alfa Spider / TT / SLK / Z4
Alfa Spider V6 / Porsche Boxster
Alfa Spider GTA-Q4 / Porsche Carrera 4S Cabrio

[simo]

Brera GTA?? When? Where? Before 2010? I don't belive that will be in the next future a GTA version of Brera and 159.

[Motron85]

brera concorrente di cayman? ma dove! la cayman ? una trazione posteriore con motore centrale.. su...

[simo]

Infatti, se adesso iniziamo pure a paragonare la Brera alla Caymann ? come tirarsi una zappa sui piedi... per? i soldi son quelli...

[piegailcapello]

brera concorrente di cayman? ma dove! la cayman ? una trazione posteriore con motore centrale.. su...

Neanch'io sono d'accordo con Simo ma credo lui intendesse la categoria...