AR:The Beginning of the End.....the Rebirth of the Myth

[Motron85]

Infatti, se adesso iniziamo pure a paragonare la Brera alla Caymann ? come tirarsi una zappa sui piedi... per? i soldi son quelli...

mah insomma.. ci ballano quasi quei 20k?...

[DJTaurus]

Brera GTA?? When? Where? Before 2010? I don't belive that will be in the next future a GTA version of Brera and 159.

Brera Gta will cost less than 75000euro in Italy.

-4WS(4 wheels steering in active way)
-ARC anti roll control
-CCM Brembo
-19R,option 20R
-Alleggerita(new lightweight bonnet with a lower positioned grille to improve aerodynamics, and a highly revised front bumper bearing exposed Carbon-fibre detailing.The Sky View roof will be flanked with Carbon-fibre finishing, whereas the rear end will probably see the introduction of a Carbon-fibre diffuser. Inside, the lightweight theme continues, with a Carbon-fibre steering wheel and genuine Aluminium detailing)
-V8 4.2/4.3lt Ferrari Maserati,Weight 183kgr...AR technicians will make modifications in order to have simiral sound to F430's V8.
-400hp,451ΝΜ-->440hp,500ΝΜ (with multiair)
-airmod active suspension (skyhook II)
-e-diff in place of the rear open differential of Torsen c.

Alfa in developing the Brera use as comparison measure to Brera and Spider...the following cars Z3,Z4,M3,CLK,SLK,boxster 911 coupe' e cabrio...ofcourse alfa technics had make test even of other cars like 6 series but that aren't direct competitors...
Alfa initially predicted to use a 400hp twinturbo version of the 3.2JTS with as much as 680nm of torque but this was abbandoned cause the car was heigh weights and the gearbox had a very high cost and could be only automatic..so they prefer to use the lightweight(183kgr) maserati/ferrari V8 with 400/440hp and 450/500nm of torque...and also make a really GTA lightweight body so expect massive use of carbon fibre and alluminium in the body...think that the maserati V8 except the fact that is really lightweight(weighs as the old V6 busso) is more compact than a V6 busso...and weighs only 20kgr over 3.2JTS V6 and 21kgr over 3.0L6 valvetronic...so it's the best choice...for a great handling car...
Alfa and fiat auto develops systems as ARC anti roll control, or ecoshift(similar to dsg ) transmission and many more they will offer in collaboration with Brembo CCM brakes as option to the GTA models so they make a very serious job...

Brera will be next years trendy car(and more trendy than boxster was in mid 90's or TT in the end of the 90's)...but except that alfa couldn't make charity....and the price if it's in the 75.000 region would be perfect..think that similar concept M3 CSL with 6 cylinder engine costs 87.000 euros and a 911 Carrera 4 S with some optionals would have a price over 100.000 euro in Italy..so the price is the best possible...and at last alfa is a car constructor not a charity institution...and you know that many people in difference of you think that what costs more is better so we have to have a price in line with the competition offering more...so in the base price of a 911 carrera or an M3 V8...we offer more than what offers an M3 CSL or a 911 Carrera 4S...
At end alfa is a company with a heritage that can be compared only to brands like bugatti or daughter brand Ferrari it;s time to revive it and make people know what really means alfa!

Audi 3.2FSI Quattro costs in Germany 37.100 euro and RS4 cost also in Germany 69.000 euro....as you see there is a 32.000 euro difference in price tag from the 3.2V6 model to the over 400hp V8...RS4 has 420 hp din.
Brera GTA offers over Brera 3.2JTS all what offers RS4...plus a lightened body by the use of exotic materials and alluminium...you must be even sattisfied if they make it with 75.000 euro in Italy...and probably 70.000 euro in Belgium...cause have a price tag 29.000 euro over the 3,2litre V6 for a car that has both lightened body and V8 with more than 400hp is really great..think that M3 CSL for the slightly modificated engine and all the weight reduction body and set up modification cost in Italy 25.000 euro over M3....!In Italy a 3.2JTS Q4 distinctive cost about 41.250 euro and Brera 3.2JTS Q4 5000 more 46.250.If you buy a Brera 3.2JTS Q4 with luxury trim level and 19' wheels you probably have a price tag around 53.000...
RS4 a car based on a less expensive car from brera like A4 with a similar concept to Brera has a price tag of 69.000 in Germany and more than 70.000 euro in Italy...
If you would buy a 911 carrera 4 S with a similar trim level to Brera you would have a price tag of not less than 100.000 euro...ok 911 starts at 80.000 euro in Italy but cannot surely compare to GTA as performance and equipment..if you compare a well equiped 911 carrera 4 S you have at least 25.000 euro of price difference...sorry but alfa cannot make charity.... Brera GTA is a car as concept between M3 CSL and RS4...and the first cost 87.000 euro in Italy...and the 2nd over 70.000 euro...so i would say Brera is almost convenient..will be not as convenient as an M3...but for what offers from use of carbon fiber and alluminium to a ferrari/maserati alfa tuned engine the price is very good...

Brera 3.2JTS Q4 1630kgr din 1705kgr eu
Maserati Coupe/Gransport 4.2 1680kgr din 1755kgr eu
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Alfa Brera 4.2 Q4 1650kgr din 1725kgr eu
Maserati Coupe 3.2 1660kgr din 1735kgr eu
Maserati Coupe 3.2 1680kgr din 1755kgr eu
Maserati Coupe 3.2 Q4 1760kgr din 1835kgr eu
Maserati Coupe 3.2 Q4 Skyview 1780kgr din 1855kgr eu....

[MILANO]

ca..o, costa na bella cifra!
speriamo che almeno vada da bomba! ? quello che si meriterebba un'auto cos?, potenza e sportivit? superiore a quella di oggi.

p.s ma sakiss ? un insider alfa romeo!?
where do you always have all these informations!?

[simo]

sakiss, I hope in that you are saying, but three months ago I sow the Fiat production plan until 2010 and there are nothing about any GTA version.

[DJTaurus]

sakiss, I hope in that you are saying, but three months ago I sow the Fiat production plan until 2010 and there are nothing about any GTA version.

Lets wait the new business plan of Paris (as Baravalle told they will present final production version) in September.8c competizione has taken the green light and AR is considering to return with that car in Fiat GT ALMS-GT.

[Scighera]

I don't know what say .............. I mean , I herad something this GTA about , but ............... My source sayd that is not certain V8 engine ..........

[Il FUSI]

Infatti, se adesso iniziamo pure a paragonare la Brera alla Caymann ? come tirarsi una zappa sui piedi... per? i soldi son quelli...

mah insomma.. ci ballano quasi quei 20k?...

Spider 3200 e Boxster per? ci balla molto di meno, quasi niente........

[AlexAlfa82]

-Alleggerita(new lightweight bonnet with a lower positioned grille to improve aerodynamics, and a highly revised front bumper bearing exposed Carbon-fibre detailing.The Sky View roof will be flanked with Carbon-fibre finishing, whereas the rear end will probably see the introduction of a Carbon-fibre diffuser. Inside, the lightweight theme continues, with a Carbon-fibre steering wheel and genuine Aluminium detailing)

I think that's the most important thing

[alfista75]

-Alleggerita(new lightweight bonnet with a lower positioned grille to improve aerodynamics, and a highly revised front bumper bearing exposed Carbon-fibre detailing.The Sky View roof will be flanked with Carbon-fibre finishing, whereas the rear end will probably see the introduction of a Carbon-fibre diffuser. Inside, the lightweight theme continues, with a Carbon-fibre steering wheel and genuine Aluminium detailing)

I think that's the most important thing

nn capisco neanche una parola...

[Motron85]

Spider 3200 e Boxster per? ci balla molto di meno, quasi niente........

vero... mah.. una porsche da 239cv e cambio a 5 marcie.. magari sar? piu entusiasmante di un brera spider xro in porsche sono dei marcioni dai.. sono gia 46k?, mica spiccioli.. 6 marcie ora sono quasi un must pure sulla punto..

[AlexAlfa82]

nn capisco neanche una parola...

sostanzialmente sakiss dice che la Brera GTA far? ampio uso di fibra di carbonio sia sulla carrozzeria che su alcune componenti, come le sospensioni, e il tutto dovrebbe tradursi in un peso molto ridotto...

[Il FUSI]

Spider 3200 e Boxster per? ci balla molto di meno, quasi niente........

vero... mah.. una porsche da 239cv e cambio a 5 marcie.. magari sar? piu entusiasmante di un brera spider xro in porsche sono dei marcioni dai.. sono gia 46k?, mica spiccioli.. 6 marcie ora sono quasi un must pure sulla punto..

Mi pare che quando la 930 (alias la prima 911 turbo 3.0, poi cresciuta a 3.3) aveva il cambio a quattro marce nessuno si sgomentava, anche se noi ne avevamo cinque financo sull'Alfasud 1200.

Delle marce me ne frego, basta che ci siano quelle giuste....... anche perch? aveva la sesta marcia di RIPOSO, no dico, DI RIPOSO, su quella che dovrebbe essere l'Alfa + sportiva ecco farei volentieri a meno di questa sesta marcia.

[AlfistaMatto]

quella della sesta marcia ? tutta una balla per i consumi!!!!per? ? anche vero che elaborando un po il motor la sesta diventerebbe di potenza!

[simo]

Non ? vero che ? una balla per i consumi in autostrada a 130km orari in sesta si consuma molto meno che in 5a. E cmq anche se di riposo il 150cv riprende molto bene anche da bassi giri in sesta.

[Il FUSI]

Non ? vero che ? una balla per i consumi in autostrada a 130km orari in sesta si consuma molto meno che in 5a. E cmq anche se di riposo il 150cv riprende molto bene anche da bassi giri in sesta.

Io dicevo di riposo su Brera eh attenzione.

Sulla 150cv turbodiesel ci ho sempre tirato al massimo in sesta...... cio? io la vel. max l'ho presa di sesta (parlo della 147).